Who Am I?

Dec. 10th, 2004 09:05 am
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[livejournal.com profile] ludditerobot had this up, so I stole it. That probably reveals secret things about me.

You scored as Neutral Good. A Neutral Good person tries to do the "goodest" thing possible. These people are willing to work with the law to accomplish their goal, but if the law is corrupt they are just as willing to tear it down. To these people, doing what's right is the most important thing, regardless of rules, customs, or laws.</td>

Neutral Good

75%

Lawful Good

65%

Chaotic Good

65%

True Neutral

45%

Lawful Neutral

40%

Neutral Evil

35%

Lawful Evil

30%

Chaotic Neutral

25%

Chaotic Evil

20%

What is your Alignment?
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Date: 2004-12-10 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bogwitch.livejournal.com
I was Lawful good. I'm such a good girl.

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Date: 2004-12-11 02:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Toys ended up Lawful Good too. I guess I had enough pesky revenge impulses in my system to thow the survey off.

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Date: 2004-12-10 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] akai-suisen.livejournal.com
Lawful Evil.....somehow I knew I was going to get that.

I guess its a good thing that the only character that I ever created for D&D was that alignment, huh?

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Date: 2004-12-11 02:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Somehow that also doesn't surprise me. ; )

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Date: 2004-12-10 06:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fishsanwitt
I'm Lawful Good - I'm so bloody predictable!

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Date: 2004-12-11 02:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
You.. nice people, you! ; )

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Date: 2004-12-10 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magista.livejournal.com
Huh... I ended up tied between true neutral and lawful good. And yet all my characters were always NG or CG. Clearly I don't know myself very well at all...

Angelus was LE, I'll bet, and Spike CE (then later tending to CN). Buffy CG, maybe tending to CN? Well that says something, doesn't it? Giles was definitely on the lawful side - no wonder Slayers and Watchers have such trouble getting along sometimes.

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Date: 2004-12-11 01:28 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rahirah
Nah, Buffy thought she was CG, but she was really LG as long as she could be the law.

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Date: 2004-12-11 03:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Hmm... interesting. I have to wonder at what point one could assign Spike's shift from Chaotic Evil (evil for the hell of it) to shades of Neutral? I'd almost argue myself that he started out more or less Neutral Evil as a vampire and only progressed to Chaotic when goaded into it (e.g., "Destiny"). In general, Spike seems to hover around the Neutral zone either with or without a soul, whereas Buffy or Angel were both pretty heavily motivated by rule sets and thus, Lawful, while Angelus went for big-time Chaotic. There's a message there somewhere about extremes, maybe.

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Date: 2004-12-11 12:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spikefan.livejournal.com
Hee hee! Apparently I'm a neutral good. I remember arguing on some board or other about whether Spike's actions in seasons 5 & 6 were indicative of a true change in his nature, or (as the other person claimed) just evidence of self-serving actions that happened to have a good result. It would have been much easier had I remembered the D&D alignments.

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Date: 2004-12-11 03:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Well, self-serving actions would simply imply true Neutral, neither good nor evil. So if he's doing things for his own benefit rather than to intentionally hurt others, you're already talking about a change from pure eeevil.

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Date: 2004-12-11 03:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spikefan.livejournal.com
Absolutely. My argument would have been that he had left Evil behind and had become either True Neutral (consistent with their point of view, which they were calling evil), or Chaotic Good (closer to my view that Spike was still a loose cannon, but had become essentially good).

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Date: 2004-12-11 12:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] londonkds.livejournal.com
I thought "true neutral" was Taoist-style "good and evil are necessary and we must maintain the balance"? In which case, the only Jossverse character to come close to it would be Lorne at times (?)

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Date: 2004-12-11 12:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] londonkds.livejournal.com
And treating total self-service as morally neutral is pretty f***ed up as far as I'm concerned - I'd put that up as Neutral Evil.

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Date: 2004-12-11 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Well, "Good" and "Evil" are really the only terms here that imply morals, although D&D's useage I think varies a little off this - Toys covered some of that, I think. In talking intent, anyway, I'm not sure I buy the idea that self-service is by default evil. That covers pretty much everyone on the planet, methinks.

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Date: 2004-12-11 08:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toysdream.livejournal.com
Yeah, I guess that would be the textbook definition. Which is kind of a weird philosophical niche - I mean, is there anybody in the world who consciously thinks "Gee, gotta have some good along with the evil?"

Ah well, perhaps that's just another case where genre-fiction morality fails to map to the real world. I'd say the same thing about the tendency for fictional villains to proudly proclaim "Yay, I'm evil!" In the real world, even the worst scoundrels tend to have some kind of flimsy, self-serving rationale for their crimes, and one of the most annoying things about authentic bad guys - Milosevic, Hussein, and so forth - is that even when they get called to account, they insist on painting themselves as misunderstood saints. Thus you have to judge real people by their actions, not their P.R., and the fictional convention of self-identifying evildoers is frankly pretty useless for that...

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Date: 2004-12-11 03:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toysdream.livejournal.com
Aaaah... geek out!

I come out as Lawful Good, unsurprisingly. As for the ongoing effort to map Buffy character alignments, I'd be inclined to use a predisposition for anarchy as the primary indicator - Spike and Faith, for example, are pretty random and impulsive, with no particular rhyme or reason to their actions, so whether good or evil I'd say they fall somewhere in the Chaotic range.

Angel's a tougher one to classify. Sometimes he's doing his best to dynamite the status quo - that whole Acathla thing, for instance, was really more-Chaotic Evil-than-thou, and he manages to bring down the house pretty successfully in his series finale. But for the most part I'd say he's sliding back and forth along the Neutral scale, never certain whether he should be opposing the existing power structure or preserving it. Perhaps you could say the same for Buffy, making her a pretty solid Neutral Good.

As for gods like Jasmine and Illyria (but not crazy Glory), I'd put them all in the Lawful camp. Because isn't this whole business of ruling the world and being worshipped by the masses just so law-and-orderish? Jasmine could even be seen as a case of Lawful Good taken to its most wretched extreme, although her mania for peace and order regardless of any moral considerations is probably more like Lawful Neutral.

Adam's kind of stumping me, though. Robotic Neutral?

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Date: 2004-12-11 04:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Hm. I guess I'd have called some of those differently, but I may be starting from a different definition of "chaotic," and you're a bigger D&D expert than I, so maybe I should just defer to your judgment.

However... it really seemed to me Angel had a big issue with rules, and would thus probably go "Lawful"... maybe I'm just figuring him as channeling the big Christian guilt, which would inherently imply law.

Thumbs up, though, to all the "god" figures as Lawful Evil - evil in this 'verse does seem to play by its own internal rules more often than good, come to think of it. Maybe anarchy IS the answer...

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Date: 2004-12-11 05:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toysdream.livejournal.com
Although the shows ended up presenting a lot of mixed messages, I'd say that the overall world view of Buffy and Angel tends to break down as Law Versus Chaos just as often as it does in Good Versus Evil. The shows are consistently skeptical of institutions, established power structures, and upholders of the status quo - in Sunnydale, a corrupt government allows monsters to feed off the citizenry rather than risk rocking the boat (just like in Jaws!), and in Los Angeles the ultimate adversary is Wolfram & Hart, the literal definition of Lawful Evil.

As we've discussed before, the heroes are really in an awkward position here. On the one hand they're trying to suppress the forces of chaos so that daily life can go on as usual - the prom still gets held, the sun doesn't go out, the world isn't sucked into the mouth of hell. But the heroes are also rebels who resent being pushed around by corrupt and foolish authority figures, and in the end they manage to bring down the forces of law and order as well. I guess that's why I'd tend to peg both Buffy and Angel as Neutral Good, since they view both extremes with suspicion.

I'll admit I'm applying something of a personal interpretation to these categories - this isn't the textbook D&D definition, which typically breaks down into guidelines about how likely various monsters and feudal lackeys are to obey their master or break their promises. (And frankly, for practical purposes "Chaotic Evil" often seems to translate as simply "more bad-ass than Lawful Evil," which betrays a certain lack of imagination.) But as long as the four compass points in question - Good/Evil, Law/Chaos - seem to have some relevance to the matter at hand, I figure there's no harm in pulling out the old gaming labels and see how they fit...

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Date: 2004-12-11 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] londonkds.livejournal.com
That "founders of my country" bit is very US-biased - what if you don't have any identifiable "founders", or if they were all a bunch of rapacious thugs? ;-)

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Date: 2004-12-11 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Yeah, it's got that issue of I.Q. tests in that it reveals a lot about its writers.

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