But then Whedon apparently got really into his "Buffy in pain = Show good" mindset
If Joss Whedon wrote nursery rhymes:
"Mary had a little lamb, its fleece was white as snow. And everywhere that Mary went, her life was filled with pain and suffering."
But-- but what happened to the lamb?!
and you also had the loss of metaphor (high school = hell turned into real life = hell only with bills and crap jobs substituted for vampires and hellmouths).
Which only works if you consider post-school existence to be equally hellish. For me, the best thing about school was that in the end you can get the heck out; if we're working with the premise that everything in life is horrible (as per Wesley's spiel at the end of "Shells") then why not just shoot yourself in the head? Yuck!
Because when he originally lost his soul with Buffy, it didn't look like he went evil because of the orgasm.
Yah, it seems like it's afterwards, when he's lying next to her. I'm kinda reminded of that bit in Clive Barker's "The Great And Secret Show" about the cosmic ocean which you only glimpse the first time you sleep alongside someone you love. So perhaps, if Spike were subject to the same kind of gypsy curse, his "moment of perfect happiness" would come when he's snuggled up next to Buffy in "Touched," which he later describes as "the best night of my life" or something like that. Hm, maybe that's a deliberate parallel.
But later on in Ats, when Angel sleeps with Darla, it's pretty clear he's trying to lose his soul by having "lots of orgasms" with her and although it's "perfect" (and I take Darla's word for her being someone who'd know), which I took to mean Lots of Orgasms were had, he doesn't lose his soul.
Don't forget Angel's party boink-a-thon with skeletal Eve. The Darla thing is particularly interesting because, although at first I thought it was some kind of doofus fake-out, it really does look like something is happening to him - not so much the losing of the soul, as the getting of it back.
Perhaps Angel is just deliberately denying himself. Or perhaps it's just sloppy writing - wouldn't be the first time...
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But then Whedon apparently got really into his "Buffy in pain = Show good" mindset
If Joss Whedon wrote nursery rhymes:
"Mary had a little lamb, its fleece was white as snow.
And everywhere that Mary went, her life was filled with pain and suffering."
But-- but what happened to the lamb?!
and you also had the loss of metaphor (high school = hell turned into real life = hell only with bills and crap jobs substituted for vampires and hellmouths).
Which only works if you consider post-school existence to be equally hellish. For me, the best thing about school was that in the end you can get the heck out; if we're working with the premise that everything in life is horrible (as per Wesley's spiel at the end of "Shells") then why not just shoot yourself in the head? Yuck!
Because when he originally lost his soul with Buffy, it didn't look like he went evil because of the orgasm.
Yah, it seems like it's afterwards, when he's lying next to her. I'm kinda reminded of that bit in Clive Barker's "The Great And Secret Show" about the cosmic ocean which you only glimpse the first time you sleep alongside someone you love. So perhaps, if Spike were subject to the same kind of gypsy curse, his "moment of perfect happiness" would come when he's snuggled up next to Buffy in "Touched," which he later describes as "the best night of my life" or something like that. Hm, maybe that's a deliberate parallel.
But later on in Ats, when Angel sleeps with Darla, it's pretty clear he's trying to lose his soul by having "lots of orgasms" with her and although it's "perfect" (and I take Darla's word for her being someone who'd know), which I took to mean Lots of Orgasms were had, he doesn't lose his soul.
Don't forget Angel's party boink-a-thon with skeletal Eve. The Darla thing is particularly interesting because, although at first I thought it was some kind of doofus fake-out, it really does look like something is happening to him - not so much the losing of the soul, as the getting of it back.
Perhaps Angel is just deliberately denying himself. Or perhaps it's just sloppy writing - wouldn't be the first time...