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Gorgeous day outside. First really nice, sunny day we've had in awhile. Went for a nice long bike ride, which makes me feel all virtuous. (We'll see how long that lasts.) In fandom news...

I see from my flist that fandom seems to be blowing up about Veronica Mars (see [livejournal.com profile] rusty_halo for a link). Or rather, flinging nasties at each other about various impressions of the accuracy of depiction of SoCal life and the female high school experience, yadda yadda within VM. I have nothing to add to that argument, since I don't watch VM - sadly, because I would really like to support a show with a spunky female lead, but I have a short temper for high school-based shows, to which I've only made exceptions for Buffy, Smallville, and... well, Power Rangers, I guess, to go farther back. High school I hated. Passionately. Revisiting it is about as enticing to me as having teeth pulled, so unless there are werewolves, vampires, crypto-freaks, or transforming kung-fu monsters, I can't even bring myself to think about caring. No offense to VM fans, because plenty of people I read on LJ really seem to like it, so I'm pretty sure it's a solid show.

But I do remain puzzled about the regional aspect of the kerfuffle, the is-this-what-SoCal life is really like question. I'm not sure why anyone should care either way. Either you connect to a situation or you don't, and you know, I didn't go to school in SoCal. And unfortuately, just about every high school drama is set there, which sometimes makes for head-scratching on my part. I mean, I liked Donnie Darko but didn't completely "get" a lot of it - I'm from hicksville, and we didn't do things that way. Was it good art? Sure. Should I be blamed for not getting it? Huh-uh. If the work isn't speaking to me, it doesn't say anything in particular about the artist's integrity, just that it's not speaking to me. I think this is a connection that keeps getting missed when discussing TV. The audience's only responsibilty is to be entertained and/or engaged, or not. If that ain't happenin', well, there's a lot of reasons that could be. Blaming the audience isn't probably the right one.

For the most part, I've stopped wondering why TV and film don't bother to depict much of American life outside of its own sort of navel-gazing creative centers, New York and L.A. It's a function of the producers and creators, no question - they're doing what they more or less "know." I don't mind it, for the most part, because life in the heartlands can be kinda boring, and New York and L.A. are glamorous - that's why celebrities et al live there. But the flipside is that sometimes I wonder how out-of-touch the industry really is, and can see why conservatives get uptight about "values" sometimes, since even the fantasy versions of "small town America" seldom match anything recognizeable about small town life. I remember laughing really hard at the name of Lana's original boyfriend in Smallville (can't remember it now) as the sort of male-model name that would get one laughed at fairly consistently in a real small-town setting, and also that show's high school cliche thang of sexy!cheerleaders and school politics. And I will never be able to get past that school newspaper. Sweeties, I remember three things about high school: 1) being bored 2) being neurotic about what everyone thought of me and 3) being hormonal and hysterical. High school on TV is too well adjusted for starters, too pretty for seconds (believable, maybe, in Beverly Hills, not Kansas), and where are all the classes? The greasy junk food runs? The hanging-around-parking-lots because there's nowhere else to go? Only in fiction could this be an attractive setting.

But then again, I'm probably oversensitive. I used to get teeth-grindingly annoyed at Twin Peaks for what I perceived to be its viewpoint that people from small towns are all knuckle-dragging hicks running off at the gums about weasels and lumber and cherry pie. I've since been told that I was just seeing the wrong episodes (by some freak of circumstance, every time I tuned in I seemed to get the Log Lady or the Pine Weasel, nothing that anyone ever told me was "cool") and plan to give the series an actual fair watch-through... but still. The whole NY/LA-centric thing that Hollywood has... sometimes it feels like we haven't escaped that high school cliquery thing at all. Whatever.

Now I'm wondering how long it's been since there's been a show about high schoolers set in New York? Do we have to go all the way back to Welcome Back Kotter? Or Fame, maybe? Just wondering. Isn't it about time to reverse the trend started by 90210?

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Date: 2005-01-26 04:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jwaneeta.livejournal.com
Must say, as kerfuffles go, that was a doozy. It was sort of like Godfather II-- even deeper and richer than the original. :)

As for the SoCal stuff -- I was born and grew up in Orange County, and I have to admit that part of the kerfuffle baffled me. Class warfare? In Orange County? Only recently I was remarking to a friend how, when I was a kid, you could literally drive an hour and a half in any direction (well, except west, because you'd end up in the water) without seeing any shift in economic scale. It was a huge sprawling landscape of sameness. Los Angeles, yes -- Compton and Bel Air are a contrast, to say the least -- but not Orange County.

But the flipside is that sometimes I wonder how out-of-touch the industry really is, and can see why conservatives get uptight about "values" sometimes, since even the fantasy versions of "small town America" seldom match anything recognizeable about small town life.

Also a conversation I've had, with a fellow Los Angelean before I fled to the midwest (he ended up moving out of LA too, to a small town in the northwest). I can understand shows portraying life in southern California as glamorous, and casting pretty kids, because they think that's what people want to watch. But the way small town life is depicted is truly strange, and often smacks of hostility.

Eh, I like small towns. I lived in one for a couple years in my 20s, and I remember it as one of the happiest times of my life. As I get older I see myself moving farther and farther out, into the rural places. Keep Manhattan and gimme that countryside.

Wow, what a rambling reply :) Sorry about that.

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Date: 2005-01-26 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tesla321.livejournal.com
I have this thing: I spend my work week in arguments. Arguments over child support and visitation, over fines to pay, over prison sentences, over evidence. I try my very bestest to stay the hell away from arguing when I'm online. I have strong opinions about fic pairings and cultural depictions, about people not using LJ cuts and posting about what they eat for breakfast, and oh, politics, but I'm not going to get into a fuss about the stuff. Because life is too freaking short.
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Date: 2005-01-26 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shipperx.livejournal.com
Have to agree that I have little to say about the kerfuffle because like you, I have little patience with teen/high school shows. That's the reason why I haven't gotten into VM. I just have no desire to watch a bunch of teenagers do rather unrealistic things. I like my unreality to be in-your-face unreality with aliens, robots, witches and vampires.

And, I grew up in a small town. Pretty much the only "small town" show I've ever really liked is Northern Exposure.
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Date: 2005-01-26 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/wisteria_/
Oh, I hear ya. I can't quite identify with the small-town aspect, since I've always lived in huge cities, but I'm also annoyed by how TV and movies act like everything revolves around California (I don't mind NYC so much, just because I love New York. ;) When the local news did a bit about Extreme Makeover: Home Edition filming here last week, I was shocked to discover that the show has finally realized that there are needy people outside of SoCal. Yeah, I know that logistics make setting shows there much easier, but still.

In a larger sense, pop culture itself tends to assume that the rest of the country wants to be like California. How often do you see the CA lifestyle held up as the paragon of what we supposedly want in life? I'm so petty and stubborn that I stopped shopping at Mervyn's when they changed their official name to "Mervyn's California". (Okay, and I'm also silly. ;) Cali is nice and all -- I've been to LA twice and liked it well enough -- but I have no desire to live that lifestyle.

(And I'm with [livejournal.com profile] shipperx in hating the way the South is portrayed in the media. Sure, we have our share of crazy, closed-minded rural folks, but hell, doesn't everywhere?)

Thanks for the rant. I've been tempted to make the same one!

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Date: 2005-01-27 10:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lillianmorgan.livejournal.com
Huh. See you've already mentioned Fargo, Twin Peaks (plus there's Northern Exposure). The word that always springs to mind with pieces of American teev that don't take place in cities is usually "quirky". Which is silly really, because surely the rest of America isn't like that at all.

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Date: 2005-01-27 11:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ailleurs.livejournal.com
Wow--I was going to comment on your post last night when you first put this up, but it was well after midnight and bed was calling. It's interesting how these kinds of things just build up heads of steam and then blow up. This thread seems to have developed a life of its own, hasn't it?

I was just going to say (last night before I tucked myself in), that this high school fascination theme has been done, flogged and should now be ceremoniously buried beneath 6 feet of celluloid. It just seems to be another one of TV's fads--along the same lines as the Cop Show, the Lawyer Show and Quirky Sitcom Show. Hopefully it'll go the same way as prime time soap opera.

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Date: 2005-01-30 09:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kyuuketsukirui.livejournal.com
I don't know... I've lived all my life in LA and I don't think TV or movies reflects my So. Cal. experience at all. It's Hollywood-ized. It could be taking place anywhere, to me. Or nowhere, I guess, because I don't think anywhere is really like that.

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Date: 2005-01-31 02:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thepouncer.livejournal.com
I grew up in Northern Virginia, and although I liked Donnie Darko I had to laugh, because it was so obviously filmed in California. The landscape around here looks nothing like what was portrayed in the film.

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