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At last, at last. Damn, but this was a hard one coming for some reason. As usual, I'll probably perform any number of fine-tuning tweaks to this over the next day or so, but I figure at this point, best to just get it posted and go from there.

First, because it's been so long, a recap.

Previously on "Does It Have to Mean Something?":

Post-"Chosen," with so many new Slayers all over the world, Buffy decides to more or less retire from being a Slayer herself and settles down in Rome to live "like a person," which in her case means just enjoying not having to fight all the time, and some quality shopping. Meanwhile, as we saw in Angel Season 5, Spike is brought back to life from the amulet in L.A., pitches in to help Angel in his fight against evil, and various events lead to "Not Fade Away," in which Angel and his crew take on the Circle of Black Thorn, the arm of the Senior Partners of Wolfram & Hart here on earth.

But Angel's plan was actually a bit more extensive than challenging the Senior Partners to a street fight - having been tipped off by the Black Thorn's request to have him sign away the Shanshu prophecy, Angel realizes the importance of the Shanshu to the Senior Partners, and while still CEO of Wolfram & Hart, uses the company's resources to have a spell cast on himself and Spike, essentially bonding the two mystically. Now, Angel can't be killed without also killing Spike, leaving no one to fulfill the Shanshu and Wolfram & Hart's plans for the Apocalypse. The entire demon world is forced to choose sides between the two souled vampires, as Angel and Spike play up their rivalry for all that it's worth, and try to maneuver the underworld into civil war.

Buffy and Spike meet by accident at the Pantheon (as seen in the final chapter "Dirty Back Road"). Overjoyed that Spike is alive, Buffy spends the following week taking him out on dates, only to discover, at the end of the week, that he never planned to stay, thanks to the already in-progress world-saving plan with Angel. Plus the whole prophecy thing. And the fact that he seems to think Buffy only really thinks of him as a friend. Buffy and Spike shout at each other a lot, take a trip to another dimension in which Spike is trapped starving for several months, Angel rides to the rescue... and then everyone is back at Buffy's apartment where Angel explains everything, Buffy and Spike shout at each other some more, sort of make up and also make out... until Buffy remembers to wonder where the hell her sister is. Will this night never end?

Previous chapters here.



Chapter Fourteen


Buffy pushed hard against Spike, shoved him off. He fell backwards, heels skidding across the floor, and went down, back cracking on the tiles. Legs tangled, Buffy fell with him, rolling off the table with a hard thump, landed on his chest. He caught her, breath driving out of his throat with a woof.

"Cell phone--where did I put the cell phone?" she blurted, scrambling to her feet. She began to search the kitchen frantically, her hands sweeping objects off the counter in a racket of clattering noise.

Behind her, Spike let out a groan, and then levered himself to his feet slowly, using the table for support. "What's this about Dawn?"

"She was supposed to have been home hours ago. She called, a-and we were talking and I didn't--"

"This is about a phone call?"

"I didn't call her back. Why didn't I--?"

"This is about a phone call?"

She ignored his question, kept looking. Spike watched her flit about, strain evident on his face. "You think something happened to her."

She shot him a narrow look. "Duh, Spike! When is Dawn not the first target anybody ever thinks of?"

"Not every missed phone call equals a hostage situation, love."

"Since when? It does around me!"

Spike let out a exaggerated sigh, cracked his back and neck.

The phone finally made its appearance, a wedge of silver partly hidden behind the coffee cannister. Buffy snatched it up. "You just said it yourself." She stabbed at the buttons with a shaky finger. "She's probably been kidnapped, a-and--"

"You know love, typically kidnappers call you."

She glared at him. In her ear, Dawn's voicemail picked up. A cold chill ran up Buffy's back.

"She's not answering." She locked eyes with Spike. Ohmigod, she's not answering. Chilly calm descended on her once more, readying her for action, even as her exhausted body groaned in protest.

Spike took in her expression, sighed again. "Okay. Right. Well, we'll find her. No need to worry."

"Right." She lifted her chin. "We will. You're right. I-I'll just go get changed, and--"

"No need. Best you stay here, love. Angel and I'll go."

He'd already begun moving by the time he'd finished saying these words, feet purposefully striding forward. Stunned, she grappled for his elbow, pulled him up short. "You'll go?"

He looked at her. "Why the shock? Not like I've never gone looking for her before, is it?"

"Yes, but..." She sputtered helplessly for a second. "You and Angel? What is it with you two? And since when do I stay home a-and... sit by the window?"

"Take it easy." He removed her hand from his arm, not ungently. "Look, it's just... well, what if she calls back?"

"It's a cell phone." The phone was still in her hand; she held it up. Exhibit A.

"Well, what if she comes home? Not like I can wait here for her, is it?"

"Why the hell not? You're as much a part of her family as anyone."

A short bark of laughter escaped him, and he gave her a pitying look. "She doesn't want to see me, Buffy. Can't blame her, but there it is. Should've heard her on the phone, that one time--could barely talk to me."

"That's not true." Buffy lifted her chin stubbornly. "I asked her--that's not how she feels at all. And she's my sister. You're not going to--I am not some princess, okay? I don't just... sit by the window and wait for my noble knights to do my work for me--I'm the Slayer! And you and Angel can do what you want, but I'm going to find her." She shoved past him, or tried to--the two of them moved simultaneously toward the doorway and promptly got stuck. They struggled for a second, trapped in the doorframe, her legs tangled up with his and her breasts pressed up against his chest.

"Let go!"

"I'm trying!" A bit of pushing and shoving at each other and they broke free, staggering on opposite sides of the opening. Having come out of the struggle on the hallway side of the equation, Buffy quickly spun around and headed for the front door.

"Oh, no you don't." Spike's voice followed her from the kitchen, as did the sound of his big boots. She ignored him, focused on the front door with determined tunnel vision, reached for the doorknob.

He jostled her elbow, knocked her hand aside. Her head nearly spun on her shoulders, and she took in the sight of him, right at her back, his whole frame nearly crackling with defiant energy.

"My job now," he hissed. "Not yours." Then he reached around her with one incongruously silk-clad arm, and flung open the door.

The hallway outside the apartment was bright. Buffy hadn't bothered to turn on more than small table lamp when she'd first come in, so the living room was dark. The sudden contrast, the incoming flood of light, was dazzling. Buffy blinked rapidly, her eyes struggling to adjust.

There was a figure outlined the doorway. Next to her, she felt Spike's whole body tense.

The silhouette spoke. "Hey."

It was Dawn.

__________

Buffy gaped. Her sister was right there, standing in the hallway, laden down with schoolbags. Right outside the door. Buffy's panic washed away in a flood of relief.

"Are you okay?" Buffy sputtered in a rush, breaking out of her temporary paralysis to stumble into the brightly lit hall and grab her sister in a bear hug. "I was so worried about you! Why didn't you call? We thought you were--"

"You thought I was what?" Dawn rolled her eyes, patiently enduring her sister's desperate clutch. "Buffy, c'mon. I did call."

"Oh, yeah. You did, didn't you?" Buffy pulled back, frowning. "So where were you?"

"I was right here."

"In the hallway?"

"Yeah."

"For how long?

"I dunno. Like, a half an hour?"

Half an hour. Buffy frowned, shot a glance back at Spike. He hadn't moved from his position at the door, still holding it open with one outstretched arm. Half an hour ago they'd been... probably shouting at each other in front of this very door. I love you! I love you! I love you! La la la, roses and puppies!

No wonder Dawn hadn't wanted to come in.

Dawn was still talking. "So like I was saying, I was at the cafe down the street, but then I ran out of homework to do, and Alessandro started hitting on me. So I came home." She paused. "Can I come in now?"

"Oh!" Buffy stepped aside, quickly, made hand gestures at Spike. He faded backwards quickly, slipping into the shadows of the hallway like a ghost. Dawn noisly gathered up all of her bookbags and heavy portfolio and with her sister's help, hustled the whole kit into the room.

Buffy gave a quick glance around the hallway for safety's sake, and then firmly closed the front door. Safe and sound. She fell back against the door with a tired sigh.

Inside, Dawn continued bustling with her belongings. She arranged her bags in a neat row along the baseboard, hung up her coat. All of this accomplished in a head-down pose, hair streaming forward to effectively hide her face.

She doesn't want to see me, Buffy. Spike's words came back to her, and she looked around for him. Found him, lurking in the shadows of the hallway leading to the kitchen. Well out of Dawn's direct line of sight.

Or maybe that's not the only problem, she thought to herself.

"Okay, missy, time to spill," she heard herself saying then, a businesslike tone returning to her voice. It's was her mother's tone, one she knew all too well, worry and outrage combined. Where have you been, young lady? "What were you doing out there in the hall? Why didn't you just come in?"

Half bent over as she toed off her shoes, Dawn shrugged. "Because I got your message, Buffy, duh. I thought... well, maybe you'd want to be alone for awhile, that's all. I didn't want to interrupt."

"Why didn't you answer your phone just now?"

"I had it on silent." Dawn picked out a bookbag, flung it onto the couch. Plopped herself down next to it and started rifling through it and pulling out papers. "You didn't answer when I called you back, so... you know."

It's not like you think, Buffy wanted to say. But the truth of it was that... well, it was. There'd been the emergency of getting Spike in so he could rest and recuperate, but after that... there'd been the talking with Angel, and then... the kitchen. Exactly what she'd promised Dawn she wouldn't do. Hey, Dawnie! Guess what? Spike's here, and oh, does it bother you if we have sex in the kitchen? Even though I have a perfectly good room with a door that closes, and I could have called you last night to warn you, but didn't--no problem, right? She sighed.

"It's no big deal," Dawn was saying, head still down, voice tense. "I just... well, like I said. I don't want to interrupt. Just let me get some stuff, and I'll go into my room and study."

"Dawn, no. You don't have to--"

"Say, did you know that Angel's right downstairs?" Dawn looked up, silent messages flashing in her eyes. Please, Buffy, please. Not now. I can't do this. Don't make me.

Buffy's shoulders sagged. "Yeah. I knew that. We... we talked."

"Wow. Sorry I missed that," Dawn said, only slightly sarcastically, and stood, squaring her shoulders, chestnut mane swinging. "I'll... see you in the morning then."

"Goodnight," Buffy said weakly.

Dawn's bedroom door closed.

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"Is everything okay up here?"

Angel.

What now? Buffy turned around. The front door had been opened again, and Angel stood just outside it, leaning against the doorframe. Spike was just inside, head low, slightly turned away.

Pulling on his coat. Buffy felt her stomach drop.

"Everything's fine." She was surprised at the calmness of her voice. "So you're leaving."

"That probably would be best," Angel said. "Now that your sister's home... we probably shouldn't attract any more attention, Buffy."

Spike just nodded in agreement, said nothing. Wrapped up once more in rumpled suede, he was the vision she'd seen under the streetlamps again, new head full of curly hair notwithstanding. Chiseled features and slim lines. His posture had changed, though, from the man she'd only just met in the street the night before--he looked collapsed and tired, shoulders weighted down.

Buffy wrapped her arms around herself like a blanket.

So much for her ideas about how to say goodbye.

"You'll call me, though," she said then, realizing at exactly that moment just what was wrong about the situation, about her and Angel and Spike. It was so unbalanced. Any two of them, apparently, could interact and manage to have some kind of working relationship, but together... they all ended up jockeying for position. Who was on top, who was most loved, who came first. And Spike's posture told her everything about where he thought he fitted in.

She forced herself to move. Stepped forward, grabbed Spike by the sleeve. He glanced up at her, startled. "You'll call me," she insisted again, her eyes firmly fixed on his face.

"We'll try," Angel said, from somewhere out of her line of sight--Spike's face filled her vision. His blue eyes were wide and the expression in them was wounded--a flash in her mind took her back to that basement, her mother's basement, when she'd joked about oil wrestling and tried to make light of his hurt feelings. I've got my pride, you know?

And just like that, she understood. Finally. Spike, Angel, herself.

She and Angel... they would always be the same. It was like an epiphany, that knowledge, and standing there with her hand twisted up in Spike's coat, she knew that it was true. Ten years could pass, thirty years, fifty, and the she and Angel would be able to meet up and trade pleasantries like they'd seen each other only yesterday. Whatever else had happened to them during that time wouldn't matter. All she had to do was look at him to feel like an innocent girl again, someone who'd never been through death and back. Probably he felt the same.

Like magic.

But Spike... nothing between them would ever be the same again. When they left this moment behind, they'd be two different people. They'd have to start all over again, painful and agonizing, two strangers meeting with nothing left to connect them. If she let him go now... she clung to his sleeve, gave his arm a little shake.

They were never the same. From one moment to the next, she and Spike were always changing. Evolving.

But into what? A sense of panic gripped her, and she pulled herself closer until their faces nearly touched.

Angel cleared his throat. Not too obviously, but it was clearly some kind of signal to Spike to hurry himself along.

"If you leave town without calling me, I will be so pissed off. You don't even want to know," she said to him, breathy, low. Angel wasn't part of this conversation--she needed to make sure Spike knew that. It was a moment between them, and them alone.

There was the barest softening in the lines of his face. "I'll try," he whispered back.

Then he stepped back. The coat sleeve pulled out of her fingers, and they were separate again. Spike was standing out in the hallway with Angel towering next to him, the overhead fixtures casting harsh lights on both their faces.

"Goodbye, Buffy," she heard Angel say softly. Spike's lips moved as if to speak, but ultimately he just smiled at her, shook his head, said nothing.

Then Angel reached forward, and the door closed.

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Buffy stood where she was, listening. She tracked the sounds of their footsteps on the stairs, the downstairs door, their voices echoing quietly out on the silent street.

It wasn't until she heard the slam of the Lamborghini's doors that she ran to her front window, pushed the curtains aside.

The dark street below was a river of black. Sodium vapor streetlamps cast pools of green-gold light on Lamborghini's slick red, turning it orange.

The car was already moving, the figures inside it barely visible, tiny dolls. She watched as it roared up the street, kept watching until the its taillights disappeared into the distance, and the sound of its engine faded away.

They were gone. She let the curtains fall.

Dreamlike, she walked toward her sister's room.

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Dawn looked up as Buffy entered, the door opening with a soft click.

"Is he gone?" she said softly. Dawn was sitting up in bed, papers spread out around her, hunched over as if she was trying to disappear.

Buffy nodded dumbly.

Dawn sighed, obviously relieved. Guilt made an appearance on her face a second later. "I'm so sorry, Buffy," she apologized. "Really. Look, I know how important this is to you, I know. And I really--okay, I freaked out back there, okay, I know that, but I just... couldn't talk to him right now. I mean, I told you I wasn't ready to see him."

"Yes you did." Hey, and Spike told me too. You weren't ready. I wasn't ready. I guess none of us was ready.

Dawn's eyes drifted closed. In her cross-legged pose, she looked like someone trying to get in touch with her chakras. "I'll do better next time. I promise. I've... seen him now, and okay, the hair'll take some getting used to, but--"

"I don't know if it matters anymore." Buffy drifted closer to Dawn's bed, leaned on it for support. The adrenaline that had kept her going for the whole of the long day and evening before it was finally leaving her. Her hands coiled around the metal bedframe like hooks. "He's... gone."

Dawn looked puzzled. "Um, yeah? I know. But, like I said, next time--"

"There won't be a next time." Buffy's shoulders were pulling in, her whole body curling up. "I don't know..."

"Buffy?" Dawn put down her pencil, slid out of bed, scrambled to her sister's side. "Are you okay?"

Her head shook, along with her shoulders, her legs. "Really not."

The patterned wallpaper was blurring. She was dimly aware of Dawn taking hold of her hand.

"Follow me," Dawn said, and tugged on her hand. She allowed herself to be pulled along, behind her sister, back down the long hallway and into the kitchen, and watched numbly as Dawn produced a couple of mysterious paper bags from the refrigerator and freezer.

Dawn set the bags on the table. The table where she'd almost...

The open bowl of failed cioppino was still there, throwing off a fishy reek. Dawn made a choking sound, grabbed it, walked it to the sink. Ran water for some time, then returned and unwrapped the bags.

Hugging herself by the elbows, eyes dry and hot, Buffy stared the results. Three bottles of champagne and two big cartons of ice cream.

"I got these about a week ago." Dawn wadded up the brown paper, then flattened it out again, folded it neatly, the loud crinkling sound filling the silent room. "After... after that first call, you know, when you had Spike talk to me? I figured things would either turn out really good or really bad, so I... prepared."

Alcohol and ice cream. Buffy's heart gave out a shuddery thud, emotion swelling up in her throat even as she struggled to get her feelings under some kind of control.

She had to be strong. For her sister's sake. Didn't she?

Dawn's expression was way too much like their mother's. Oh, honey.

"W-What kind of ice cream?" she gasped, barely able to talk around the block in her throat. Her chest was already trying to close up, the breath in her throat a hot whistle.

"Chocolate chip cookie dough."

Buffy's face crumpled. "Give me a bottle."

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Date: 2005-07-17 11:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magista.livejournal.com
"Chocolate chip cookie dough."

Of course. What else? LOL

You've captured their awkwardness and uncertainty beautifully, as they're dancing around each other trying to find out if anything still fits. They're never on the same page at the same time, are they?

Dawn seems to have fit herself much better into a new world and a new role than Buffy has, but then again, she was created to fit in. Love how she's become the mom now, taking care of her sister.

You better make this all better eventually, because I'm getting that tight-throat feeling, and if I cry onto my keyboard I'm going to send you the laptop repair bill...

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Date: 2005-07-23 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Oh, thank you, hon - this is such a sweet first comment to get. I was really getting nervous about starting this up again once I realized how much time had gone by. But never fear about the angst, really - I may visit there from time to time, but you know, I think, what my true orientation when it comes to the Spuffy is.

Love your observation about Dawn, about how she was created to fit - as it just so happens, the next part actually does delve into that, a bit. You alway seem to have this knack for picking out my direction!

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Date: 2005-07-17 11:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bogwitch.livejournal.com
Chocolate chip cookie dough! Hee!

I laugh, yet I'm sniffling.

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Date: 2005-07-23 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
I just couldn't resist. I guess it's pretty obvious that I have a thing for bad jokes by now. : )

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Date: 2005-07-17 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stultiloquentia.livejournal.com
But Spike... nothing between them would ever be the same again. When they left this moment behind, they'd be two different people. They'd have to start all over again, painful and agonizing, two strangers meeting with nothing left to connect them. If she let him go now... she clung to his sleeve, gave his arm a little shake.

They were never the same. From one moment to the next, she and Spike were always changing. Evolving.

But into what? A sense of panic gripped her, and she pulled herself closer until their faces nearly touched.


Sorry for quoting this big honking passage, but it really got me. I *knew* this -- but you've articulated it perfectly. This is my favourite kind of fanfic -- what I'm always trying to do myself -- Deep Thoughts about the canon worked seamlessly into a new story.

I like your descriptions of Dawn. This story (or story arc, whatever) won't be complete without a good catharsis between Dawn and Spike.

"Chocolate chip cookie dough."
Buffy's face crumpled. "Give me a bottle."


Agh. Carpe jugulum.

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Date: 2005-07-17 01:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] makd.livejournal.com
[livejournal.com profile] stultiloquentia spoke for me - everything I was thinking about this chapter and the S/B relationship.

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Date: 2005-07-17 12:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] speakr2customrs.livejournal.com
Beautiful imagery and a superb portrayal of the messy, tangled, relationship between Spike and Buffy.

I went off track while I was reading it. For some reason I was sure that Dawn hadn't come in because she'd been Turned and was a vampire who needed to be invited in.

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Date: 2005-07-17 09:33 pm (UTC)
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Me too. But then I got utterly undistracted by the agonized, perfect thoughts on B/A and B/S. Wow.

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Date: 2005-07-17 12:25 pm (UTC)
ext_7351: (S/B always)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_jems_/
I'm so happy to see more of this. Great chapter. I especially like Buffy's epiphany about the differences between her relationships with Angel versus Spike.

Now I think I'll crack open a half-pint of cookie dough ice cream myself. By the way, that's the only thing that made me pause. In Sweden, I've only found one place that sells cookie dough ice cream (Ben & Jerry's, no less) and it costs about six bucks a pop. In Italy, the home of gelato, I'm even less sure they'd have cookie dough flavor.

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Date: 2005-07-27 10:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Yeah, I guess I'm bending the rules a bit with the ice cream - gelato, sure, but cookie dough? Maybe not. Although I have sort of pegged Dawn as the gourmand in the kitchen for this fic, so I suppose I could claim some wiggle room there - if there was a place to find her sis's favorite in all of Italy, she could probably find it.

And thanks, so much, for re-welcoming my poor neglected saga! : )

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Date: 2005-07-17 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toysdream.livejournal.com
Aw, I'm a sucker for Caring Competent Dawn. And I must say you've made better use of the cookie dough reference than certain other authors whose names rhyme with "Fancy Bolder." :-)

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Date: 2005-07-27 10:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Dawn is a major factor in this story, which the next chapter should make totally clear. I mean, as the "sister" character, particularly as a magically manufactured one, she should have insights into Buffy that others don't, right? (whistles enigmatically)

And I must say you've made better use of the cookie dough reference than certain other authors whose names rhyme with "Fancy Bolder." :-)

Now we're just getting into your novelization issues. ; ) But dude! Cookies! How many things are there to say about that? I mean to find out.

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Date: 2005-07-17 01:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbangel10.livejournal.com
I'm very happy to see an update! I really love this story and I've missed it. This ch. just tugged at my heart strings. Chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream, what other flavor could it be?

Awe, so sad.


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Date: 2005-07-27 10:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
It makes me so happy to hear people have missed this story! And also guilty for making you wait so long - I promise the next chapter won't be anywhere near as long in coming, I swear!

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Date: 2005-07-17 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] annapurna-2.livejournal.com
SQUEEEEEE!!! DIHTMS continued! Now my day is complete. :-)

Pointing up to what [livejournal.com profile] stultiloquentia quoted and said. ::nods vigorously::

Also, quoted below is another beautiful bit that further defines the character relationships. So poignantly true and perfectly stated.

"You'll call me, though," she said then, realizing at exactly that moment just what was wrong about the situation, about her and Angel and Spike. It was so unbalanced. Any two of them, apparently, could interact and manage to have some kind of working relationship, but together... they all ended up jockeying for position. Who was on top, who was most loved, who came first. And Spike's posture told her everything about where he thought he fitted in.

Thank you so much for the story recap. Otherwise, I would have waited until I could go back and refresh my memory with the earlier chapters, and I don't know if I could have stood waiting so long. Heh.

I do intend to read through the whole thing again once you've finished, but at least this way I can still get my DBR sequel fix along the way.

Lovely, lovely chapter.

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Date: 2005-07-27 10:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
I'm squeeing right back at you, because this is the kind of feedback that makes me feel all warm inside, you know? : )

I have all these thoughts on Angel/Buffy/Spike that are just so hard to put into words - I'm trying, really, but it's so slow in coming sometimes. That's the thing that registers on me most when I go back to re-read my own fic, is how much it has that quality of groping toward something, at an often excruiatingly slow pace. If I was much more professional about all this, I'd revisit these stories after the fact and give them an utterly ruthless final edit. (But I won't, because, well... they're like documents of how my brain was sorting all this out, I guess, at that point in time.)

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Date: 2005-07-17 01:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paratti.livejournal.com
Good stuff.

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Date: 2005-07-27 10:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Thanks so much! : )

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Date: 2005-07-17 01:50 pm (UTC)
elisi: Edwin and Charles (cookie-buffy by mrmonkeybottoms.)
From: [personal profile] elisi
I had to pull myself back from everything I remembered from 'The Center', but I guess it's a testament to how good your writing is, that the last chapter of this was still fairly fresh in my mind.

*Loved* that Dawn was just outside the door (now that's a nice way to resolve a cliffhanger of many months!) and also loved the insights into Spike/Buffy/Angel - I think you were spot-on and also explained wonderfully why B/A could never really work - every relationship has to evolve and change!

Also I'm so glad that I now how it all ends, because this? Is big with the angst!

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Date: 2005-07-27 10:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Thanks so much! And yeah, I think you can probably see now why this one was so hard for me to get back to after writing "The Center" - I have all this angst yet to slog through, and writing it was just getting sooo depressing!

But it's not all dark! Not really - you'll see. : )

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Date: 2005-07-17 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] downunderdeb.livejournal.com
I think I need a bottle and some icecream too - pity it's 7am Mon morning here.

This made me all choked up and a little sniffly - love the Buffy/Dawn interaction, feels very sisterly. Nice to see this story back.

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Date: 2005-07-27 10:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Thanks so much! Glad I could make you sniffle. ; )

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Date: 2005-07-17 03:14 pm (UTC)
herself_nyc: (S/B on porch by awakencordy)
From: [personal profile] herself_nyc
Oh maaaan you're killing me here. The barriers, the uncertainty ...

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Date: 2005-07-27 10:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Thanks! (grins) It's all about the uncertainty, at least at this point.

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Date: 2005-07-17 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kitmarlowescot2.livejournal.com
Guess Spike always thinks he out before Angel, the bottom and the loser. But I guess a relationship between Spike and Angel never entered her mind. Or none of that in your story?

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Date: 2005-07-27 10:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
I guess a relationship between Spike and Angel never entered her mind. Or none of that in your story?

Hmm... well, yeah. Not as such. The A/S relationship is a complicated thing, but for this story, we're only really seeing Buffy's perception of it, which is decidedly vague. She's finally starting to pick up on nuances that she didn't before, however, simply because they've never all three been in the same room together since she started up with Spike. And then, all of a sudden, certain dynamics become more obvious - Angel's take-charge personality, Spike's new tendency to just sort of shut up and go along... she's honestly feeling a bit left out, not that, as you said, the idea of a real relationship between Angel and Spike ever really crossed her mind. (I think I may be saving that idea for a later date - I'd want to give the whole three-way dynamic its proper justice.)

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Date: 2005-07-18 03:17 am (UTC)
kathyh: (Kathyh chosen)
From: [personal profile] kathyh
Yay, so pleased to see an update to this. I love the way you write the complex tangle that is the relationship between Spike and Buffy, even down to the way they get stuck in a door because they're both trying to do something.

They were never the same. From one moment to the next, she and Spike were always changing. Evolving.

Yup, that's *it* exactly. Excellent, angsty chapter. Many thanks.

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Date: 2005-07-27 10:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Hee. Thanks. Glad you liked the door thing - it was simply one of those visuals that occurred to me at the time mostly because I thought it would just look interesting, but then, as with everything these two do, it ended up taking on its own fraught meaning. : )

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Date: 2005-07-18 12:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chrissie-linnit.livejournal.com
This was worth waiting for.

A word came into my head today. A word I've seen used by Herself and Ginmar in fic's they have penned... and it seems so appropriate for this fic too.

Ambiguity

Phew... there's a whole heap of it in here. I'm sad, and yet hopeful. Frustrated and yet resigned. Pass me a spoon, Dawn...

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Date: 2005-07-27 10:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
I am beyond pleased to be referred to in such grand company! Thank you!

I'm sad, and yet hopeful. Frustrated and yet resigned.

That's kind of where Buffy is at too, right now. Although she's going to be going through a hefty load of sad before the hopeful comes back in, sigh... poor thing. Those crazy kids...

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Date: 2005-07-18 12:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] earth-vexer.livejournal.com
Marvelous story.

They were never the same. From one moment to the next, she and Spike were always changing. Evolving.
And that is precisely why Buffy/Spike remains compelling and Buffy/Angel bores me. ;)

Apparently I'm very dense, because I didn't get the ice cream reference until I read the other comments. Cookie dough. Of course. Sheesh.

I'd like to friend you so I can follow your fic updates, if that's all right.

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Date: 2005-07-18 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Bravo, now my mascara is ruined...
Fortunately for my now puffy eyes you don't update too regularly - I just know because I check assiduously ;-)
Anyway don't mind my ramblings, that was worth waiting for!

Seve, a french reader.

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Date: 2005-07-27 10:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Thank you so much! I swear, I don't really like to write angst, but sometimes it just comes out that way, you know? And I reallyhope to start updating again much more frequently, but I'm so glad you thought it was worth waiting for. : )

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Date: 2005-07-19 08:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wickedgillie.livejournal.com
yeah, this was a good cry. way to tug at all of the emotions, hook. sheesh!

::still sniffling::

and may i add, well worth the wait!

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Date: 2005-07-27 10:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Awww.... darn, you guys are nice. Am I really a big ol' emotions-tugger? Really? (bats eyes innocently)

Wait till you see next chapter. Hee.

And thank you! : )

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Date: 2005-07-19 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fredsmith518.livejournal.com
So pleased to read this, is it okay if I friend you? I am late because am around less and would hate to miss chps.
Spike's voice followed her from the kitchen, as did the sound of his big boots. She ignored him, focused on the front door with determined tunnel vision, reached for the doorknob.
He jostled her elbow, knocked her hand aside. Her head nearly spun on her shoulders, and she took in the sight of him, right at her back, his whole frame nearly crackling with defiant energy.

I loved this picture of them and this one of Spike, Angel and Buffy,
Any two of them, apparently, could interact and manage to have some kind of working relationship, but together... they all ended up jockeying for position. Who was on top, who was most loved, who came first. And Spike's posture told her everything about where he thought he fitted in.

Spike and Dawn is so sad, both of them hurt and diminished by the gulf between them.

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Date: 2005-07-27 10:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Please do feel free to friend me! Welcome, friend!

Spike and Dawn is so sad, both of them hurt and diminished by the gulf between them.

Thanks so much! And as much as I liked writing all the B/S/A dynamics, it's the Dawn stuff that's really been pulling at me for this story, and it's something I've had in mind since the very beginning and am only now getting to - the next part, soon as I finish it, will be laying out a lot of thoughts I've had on that, the Spike and Dawn friendship.

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Huzzah!

Date: 2005-07-19 11:10 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Sorry, was at RenFaire all weekend and still haven't gotten it completely out of my system. Anyway, just wanted to join the list of those glad to see more of this story. Read an old entry of yours (re: Chosen), and it damn near killed me. Also agree that B/S is way more compelling than B/A, and I was totally into B/A during its original run. Now it just saddens me. He left her with so much baggage.
LadyDi

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Date: 2005-07-27 11:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
I'm with you on B/A being terribly, terribly sad in retrospect - all of Buffy's relationships have unfortunately left her with fair amount of baggage too that she's still, IMHO, trying to work through, but Angel is the first and thus strongest influence in that regard.

Read an old entry of yours (re: Chosen), and it damn near killed me.

Is that "The Pain I Feel" one, from my memories? There are aspects of that that I'm still trying to work though, in this story, the ideas about love being something that you need to see and practice... hopefully it'll all come out in the story eventually, if I do it right...

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Date: 2005-07-20 02:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kassto.livejournal.com
Glad for the recap!

Lovely writing. All I want to say right now is that I am reading very little fic at the moment, but I am reading yours.

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Date: 2005-07-27 11:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
I had to recap it a bit for myself! Re-reading the whole thing always tends to get me a bit lost in fantasy edits - "oh, gee, I should cut this whole bit," or "ah, I'm repeating myself here, maybe I should..." And that way lies... well, not madness, but definitely not getting things done by way of writing new material.

Thanks for keeping me on your reading list. Along with everyone else here who's still following me, you must have the patience of a saint, given how slow and random I've been in tying up the loose ends in my big sprawing interconnected story net. I'm amazed anyone's been able to keep up!

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Date: 2005-07-20 08:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lillianmorgan.livejournal.com
Oh and boy. Poor Buffy. Loved this - and all the things I'd remembered most about this fic (where Dawn was? and the wonderful B/A/S weavings in and out) all came rushing back.
Loved this: Any two of them, apparently, could interact and manage to have some kind of working relationship, but together... they all ended up jockeying for position. I think that's what's so wonderful about your fics when you have the three of them - they do all jockey for position but you give each their due and don't deny one over the other.
Having said that, your Spuffy epiphany was tops.
"Yes you did." Hey, and Spike told me too. You weren't ready. I wasn't ready. I guess none of us was ready.
Oh be still by Spike&Dawn friendship beating heart :)

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Date: 2005-07-27 11:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
they do all jockey for position but you give each their due and don't deny one over the other.

I'm a strong believer in every character being presented as if their viewpoint makes perfect sense inside their own head - no villain really thinks of himself as a villain, etc. It's more satisfying to me then just setting up straw men to knock down, and if B/A wasn't a real alternative to B/S, then where's the drama, you know? (Or even A/S, hee, not that Buffy's really had that brainwave yet.) I have to believe in everyone's personality to make this work, and find a way to make them all behave as if they think they're doing what's right.

Oh be still by Spike&Dawn friendship beating heart :)

There will be more discussion of this. And yeesh, I've still got my Kinkathon story to finish, and that's all about the Spike & Dawn friendship angle...

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Date: 2005-07-25 07:25 am (UTC)
ext_1124: (spike_falling by ruuger)
From: [identity profile] rainkatt.livejournal.com
Here I am, much later than everyone else, and trying to comment even when I read really late like this, because I have the bad habit of feeling it doesn't matter when everyone else has moved on... anyway, I agree wholeheartedly with the idea that the reason that B/S is compelling is that they change constantly, it's always new between them, and the reason that B/A isn't so interesting is that they always are the same. I caught that the other day, watching an episode -- she's comfortable with Angel, he's easier with her than he is with most people. Spike and Buffy are constantly yearning for more, bumping into each other's sore spots, places that hurt and intrigue. He's new to her every day.

So glad to see more of this.

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Date: 2005-07-27 11:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Don't worry at all about feeling the lateness - hey, I'm only now just getting enough time to write everyone replies! Glad you're happy to see more of this! : )

I caught that the other day, watching an episode -- she's comfortable with Angel, he's easier with her than he is with most people. Spike and Buffy are constantly yearning for more, bumping into each other's sore spots, places that hurt and intrigue. He's new to her every day.

That's exactly what I was going for - I kept trying to find a way to come at what we were given in "Chosen," the way she sits and talks to Angel as if there was no distance, no breakup, no haven't-seen-you-in-months... they're really constants in each other's lives. Even if it's only faux-consistency, it feels real to them for those moments. Ironically, in thinking about it, it made B/A that much more interesting to me, for that whole willfull ignorance aspect - neither one of them really wants to know too much about the other's daily lives anymore. It's the fantasy they'd rather hang onto, and conciously so.... although for Buffy, I think the fantasy is finally starting to crack. Has to, in fact, because their lives are starting to overlap again, and without the distance, that fantasy can't be maintained.

Whew! So yeah, in short, there'll be more thoughts on B/A. and B/S coming up. : )

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Date: 2005-07-27 10:08 pm (UTC)
rahirah: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rahirah
I missed this! How did I miss this? Ack!

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Date: 2005-07-27 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Hope that's a good "ack"! : )
From: [identity profile] petuniahortense.livejournal.com
and was thrilled to see you have picked up this story again! I love this story (plot and relationships) am very relieved to read this new chapter.

loved the cookie dough reference.
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
So glad you liked! I'm so looking forward to having more free time again, so I can continue on from this chapter - it's all blocked out, but god, the busy!

Re: the cookie dough, it's true, I'm shameless with the bad jokes. Really I am. ; )

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