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I spent today on a marathon rewatch of Angel Season 5. And funny how watching it as one piece makes it all come together. This was kind of illuminating.


I suppose it's not such a novel observation that Season 5 fits together far better as a whole as opposed to individual episodes. The same could probably be said for every Angel season - although I'd say the first couple of years were more comfortably reliant on standalone eps, "cases" for the gang to solve like a Dark Shadows-flavored X-Files - as well as the last couple of years of Buffy, and given what I've heard about the Mutant Enemy creative process - working backward from the ending sometimes - perhaps that shouldn't be such a surprise. Like a mystery whose ending you've already read, the clues stand out obviously in hindsight, whereas in forward-playing real time they make little sense.

For example, I've come to realize it's a sure sign when episodes don't seem to link up, where dramatic promises aren't followed up on, that these are signposts for plot steerage. The setup for the Illyria arc was full of such moments - sudden shifts in mood and character behaviour that were there strictly for plot purposes. In a more extended example, one of the most confusing segues from BtVS Season 6 was (to my mind) the transition from the grim intensity of "Dead Things" to the damply humorous squib of Buffy's birthday party in "Older and Far Away." Buffy's extreme beatdown of Spike, though a visual and emotional atom bomb, was not actually a setup for any kind of continuing character arc; in fact, it was barely referred to again after the event beyond simple continuity checks (e.g., Spike's black eye and "what are you gonna do, beat me up again" line; Buffy's "I behaved like a monster" admission in "Conversations with Dead People," about her relationship with Spike in general). So then, if the beating scene wasn't there to create any kind of continuing dramatic tension, then it was there for a plot reason. Actually, it was there for two plot reasons. 1) to establish Buffy's own self-hatred by virtually replicating the bodyswitched-Faith-beating-bodyswitched Buffy scene in "Who Are You?" and 2) to set up Spike's soul quest with Buffy's hateful "you don't have a soul!" line. QED.

So, Angel Season 5. Viewed as a whole, it now seems pretty obvious why the episiode-to-episode continuity jarred at the time. The rules had changed, and nobody had told the audience yet. The tone was radically different to the previous season - from ultra-serious drama in S4 we had moved into the realm of dry satire or outright comedy. Moreoever, in Season 5, Angel moved out of the hero's chair and into a much grayer place. Like Season 6 Buffy, Season 5 Angel acted in ways that often didn't fit with what we had come to expect from the titular hero. In that context, Spike's presence in S5 makes sense as part of Angel's arc for the season. It's actually rather entertainingly meta.

Angel vs. Spike
Spike literally takes over the show in Season 5, ironically just as many fans feared he might... and it's actually the whole point of his character arc. Like S4, which was really all about Connor, as a living embodiment of the tragedy of Angel's inability to save even those he loves most, S5 was really all about Spike, and the tragedy of Angel's inability to save himself.

Since the beginning of the AtS series, Angel has been portrayed as working toward redemption, trying to make up for his century-plus of evil by helping others in an approximation of the Protestant ideal of Good Works. The Angel we see in S5, however, is increasingly unsure, morally gray, constantly doubting both himself and his mission. "The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco" can pretty much be taken word for word - Angel spends the entire season worried that he no longer has a hero's heart, and the moral grayness of the Wolfram & Hart deal only makes matters worse. Angel no longers believes a reward is really coming; fighting Spike for the Shanshu and losing merely cements this belief. Even if a reward is out there, he doesn't think he has what it takes to reach it.

So Spike then, in S5, is there for contrast - his appearance in "Just Rewards" (I'm ignoring the TV standard be-sure-to-watch-next-week! lead-in for the closing minutes of "Conviction") is The Hero Returned; promptly after his whirlwhind release from the amulet, we get a flashback of his world-saving immolation in the Hellmouth, a no-bones-about-it heroic moment complete with glowing golden light and chanting orchestral chorus. (Notably, the extent to which this sacrifice had to do with winning Buffy's love is not emphasized; key moments from "Chosen" pertaining to their connection are skipped over.) From there on in, this message is only reinforced - this what a Champion really looks like. Everything out of Spike's mouth is acutely observed, from identifying Wolfram & Hart as "Evil, Incorporated" "digest[ing]" Angel's staff, to blithely blurting out the answers to puzzling cases. Angel tries to solve the ethical puzzles of good and evil intellectually; Spike coasts forward on instinct... and his instincts are almost always right. While Angel plays as impossibly jaded and losing hope, Spike comes off as essentially innocent, a sort of divine fool. He really wants the redemption Angel has given up on.

And in story after story, we see Spike's motives are questioned - selfish? evil? petty? - and in every one of them, our initial negative impression is shown to be an illusion, a trick. He complains, whines, snarks, needles, acts like an ass... but his actions are all positive. He refuses to improve his personal situation if the cost would hurt someone else ("Hellbound"). He refuses to go behind Angel's back when the Crockett-and-Tubbs team of Wes and Gunn ask him to help the helpless under W&H's evil umbrella ("Soul Purpose"). He resists the temptation to take Angel's offer of luxurious sponsorship and stays to help fight the Senior Partners instead ("Shells"). Just as in "Why We Fight," Spike isn't so much a bad guy as he simply likes the look of the coat.

So the message is pretty clear - there is no Angelus-style bad side to this guy. There used to be - and it's implied pretty strongly in ("Destiny") that this was largely due to Angelus's influence - but not anymore. His worst character flaws are all laddish immaturities - boastfulness, restlessness, childish sniping, and a Bill Clinton-esque obsession with sex. (One wonders if the desktop-shagging sequence in "Destiny" wasn't an explicit reference to Clinton, another essentially honest man with a similiar inability to keep his pants zipped.)

Therefore, Season 5 was a little dizzying for the initiated during its broadcast run because Spike virtually replaces Angel in S5 as the actual hero figure for the entire season, starting right off the bat from the second episode, and since the audience expects Angel to be the hero we're taking our cues from... well, there's your problem. In hindsight, however, it's pretty clear what's happening - you can virtually see the transference happen over the course of "Just Rewards." The Angel we saw in "Conviction" was recognizable as the dark hero we'd been following for years - conflicted, yet grimly committed to his mission, certain he'll be able to find a way to use the "weapon" of Wolfram & Hart to do good. That character more or less vanishes the instant Spike appears; Angel becomes irritable, evasive... kind of mean. We find that he hasn't told his team anything about the closing of the Hellmouth, or Spike's soul. Spike accuses Angel of sitting on this info because it made him feel "less special," and he's right. Typically, Angel airs his id out by saying one thing while feeling the exact opposite. He claims (forcefully) not to feel responsible for Spike's death, but later quietly muses that it "should have been me." He bristles at any suggestion that he's threatened by Spike when clearly he is. He insists that he hasn't "turned in his cape and tights" to work at Wolfram & Hart, but in private he's clearly anything but sure. "Soul Purpose" gives us our clearest snapshot ever of Angel's inner conflict - he has performance anxiety of every stripe. Despite the fierce fight he put up in "Destiny," Angel is certain that Spike has him outclassed, that once under the spotlight he'll be shown up for a fraud, empty. "The crowd's turning on ya, sport," as Lorne says.

Then in "Not Fade Away," all this comes to its logical conclusion. Angel gives away the Shanshu he doesn't really believe will ever come to him anyway. He decides his real unique gifts are for ruthlessness and big-picture artistry - the same things that made Angelus legendary. Essentially, Angel turns himself into the "weapon" he originally thought Wolfram & Hart would be, throws himself and his team's into the fray because he's come to believe that only the ends really matter. He takes his team into a huge battle against forces no one else could challenge because, as he tells Number Five, "we can... because we know how." Normal people couldn't do it, but Angel and his followers can. He gives his team assignments to fit their pasts - Wesley, to take on the architect of the mindwipe, a move made necessary by the events set in motion by Wesley's kidnapping of Connor; Gunn, to go back to his roots and take out a gang of vamps; Lorne he sends to kill Lindsey, handing the most morally gray action of the bunch to a demon whose own moral compass has sometimes seemed unclear; and finally, Spike, to rescue a baby... which is, as we saw in "Darla," was the same act that finally separated souled Angel from his failed attempt to recapture the glories of Angelus. Sending Spike on the baby-saving mission is symbolic for Angel - he's passing the torch he himself has given up by deciding he can do more good with Angelus-like ruthlessness than he could by upholding the life of a hero. Pretty darn bleak.

Gunn, Fred, and Why Illyra Didn't Really Fit
Other than that, there isn't much else to observe. Gunn's arc of street-fighter-turned-lawyer "sell out" is an essentially flawless standalone; it's actually the only character arc that's wholly consistent all the way through. The Illyria story that took over the last third of the season doesn't really intersect with this story at all; anything that hurt Fred would have shown Gunn's corruption, his willingness to sacrifice innocent lives for his own purposes and his subsequent remorse. Illyria herself is irrelevant. That Gunn is barely shown interacting with the character of Illyria clinches it for me; she's an intrusion on a story already in progress, not so much a "hole in the world" as a hole in the universe; like a Marvel Comics character punching into a conference room on The Practice, Illyria is a jarring element, akin to discovering that the characters of ER are suddenly treating patients that have been stomped on by Godzilla. One can't say she doesn't belong in the AtS, a supernatural universe that can ultimately sustain anything, but she adds nothing to the Wolfram & Hart plotline. Her storyline, enteraining as it is on some levels, is a self-contained one, airlifted into the existing plot rather like the sarcophogus she appears from. (It's kinda tempting to wonder if we might have gotten more explanation for Lindsey's role in all this had not Illyria been introduced, although since Lindsey's presence already made no sense as early as "You're Welcome," that's probably wishful thinking on my part.)

With Illyria's intro, the season's tone changes from a wry critque on business ethics and the qualities of a hero to a loud, supercharged opera filled with grief and betrayal and agony and madness; it's Titus Andronicus minus the cannibalism (although you could also argue that element was covered by the earlier episode in which Nina is introduced). Wesley goes mad from doomed love, Angel enters his final downward spiral. Fred pretty much vanishes as a character for S5; her continued presence was for four main reasons: to be pretty (as in "Conviction," which included a superfluous inset shot of Fred lounging with her shoes off in the conference room so we could appreciate Amy Acker's legs), smart ("Science Girl," as Spike calls her), sympathetic, and menaced. All four of these elements are in play as early as "Just Rewards" - the scene with Spike in the espisode's closing minutes shows a pretty girl alone in her lab, approached by a guy who seems kinda sinister. This image is repeated again multiple times over the course of the season, notably in "Why We Fight" - Fred is downgraded to endangered damsel/love interest in Season 5, despite her protests in "A Hole in the World." She's objectified, a victim; knocked out, held hostage, taken over by Illyria. She's the one character that everyone likes and can relate to, and thus is the one character that must be destroyed to set all this in motion. Sigh.

It's worth noting here, as an aside, that Fred was a character I used to intensely dislike. After her introduction as a slave girl in the Pylea arc, which was interesting enough, she was used all too often as sort of a multipurpose Mary Sue who I'd felt unduly pressured to like (a similar complaint could be made recently about the character of Andrew) but who I finally grew fond of after seeing her taser Connor in S4. By the end of that season, and the absolutely terrific Jasmine arc, she'd grown to be practically the most interesting character in the series.

In S5, however, Fred is less a character than "every woman... Wonder Woman!" as Lorne yells in "The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco." She's a symbol, a reminder of "the right thing to do" ("Hellbound"). That's something that Angel can't have anymore because S5's arc is about Angel losing his reasons to fight. By the end of the season, Angel has become Lawson, the poor vamp he made during WWII would afterward could never figure out "why we fight." Angel, as someone who's always been given his reasons for fighting from outside sources (Whistler, Buffy, Doyle, Cordelia, the Powers That Be), couldn't keep going without a purpose. And there was no one left to give him one.

So yeah, I see how this fits together now. S5 is about losing hope, about suicidal gestures and futile stabs in the face of destiny. And even more weirdly, it's a comedy.
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Date: 2004-09-22 01:01 am (UTC)
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Interesting, though personally I don't think that ME had it planned out like that from the start. I think they're just very good at, when thrown a curveball, going back and picking up on one of the multiplicity of little things they throw into episodes and drawing it out to connect with whatever's going on in the present. Cordy kissed Angel in You're Welcome as a bone to the C/A shippers, nothing more--but wait, we've been canceled and we need a slam-bang finish RIGHT NOW so, it's ah, A MAGIC kiss! With visions! Yeah, that's the ticket!

[livejournal.com profile] shipperx once wrote an essay on how Joss plots--essentially, he has a bunch of bright shiny climactic images he wants to hit, and he doesn't much care how he gets to them. As with Angel, the ends justify the means, and if characters are mangled and plots warped, who cares, as long as we get that final glorious image of Buffy running Angel through or Spike burning up in the Hellmouth or Angel saying he wants to kill the dragon?

Sometimes this approach works wonderfully, other times less so. Illyria is one of Joss's Cool Ideas. Ooh, wouldn't it be neat if...? Well, yeah, but then what do you do with her? And I like Illyria, but if, as seems to be the case, the only idea they had for her in a hypothetical S6 was Wesley angsting over her occasional similarity to Fred, well, how lame is that?

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Date: 2004-09-22 01:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
No, I agree none of this was probably planned. It's just how it plays to me, now that I'm watching it as one piece. Whether the intention was to turn Angel into the guy giving up his Shanshu was the idea from the start, that's the way the cookie evenually crumbled. Weird.

And yeah, the Cordy magic kiss was a total plot contrivance. It came off to me that way at the time. Sorry if I didn't make that utterly clear. It plays better as part of the whole, but nothing's gonna it not seem like anything more than after-the-fact plot doctoring it really was.

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Date: 2004-09-22 01:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paratti.livejournal.com
Illyria is a parallel/shadow to Angel though. She's lost her world, her certainty and so she becomes another character looking to find a purpose again after losing everything that made her what she was, like Spike (life, body, love), Wes (love, sanity), Gunn (who he was), and Lawson (purpose, pleasure) but most of all like Angel himself.

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Date: 2004-09-22 01:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Oh, I totally like Illyria. She has nifty resonance to all sorts of things, but I still don't think she really relates all that much to the original story S5 set out to tell. Her introduction was a kind of "bored now!" to the "are we selling out?" concept and a shift in another direction, in my mind anyway. It's still valid, but tonally different. (And since I'm writing a fic with Illyria in it, I can't say I'm not interested in those resonances; I was just amused to realize how little the two plots seemed to connect - perhaps that would have been rectificed by a hypothetical S6).

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Date: 2004-09-22 01:11 am (UTC)
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This is a very insightful analysis.

One thing you don't mention is the Harmony arc and that is what I believe to be the most significant part of the whole series. Harmony struggles to be good, and at first it looks like she's going to make it. She is weak, and needs help, but she gets it from Fred and from Wesley.

And then Fred dies, Wesley becomes obsessed with his own grief and despair and twisted relationship with Illyria, and Harmony is left to her own devices. She copes for a while, giving Wes and Gunn support when they most need it, but can't keep it up. In the end she fails, and Angel expects her to; but I believe that she would have succeeded "if you'd just had confidence in me".

She was the helpless, right under Angel's nose; he didn't help her, and neither did Spike. They failed her. How are the mighty fallen indeed.

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Date: 2004-09-22 01:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paratti.livejournal.com
Except ME Were never, ever going to allow a soulless vampire to succeed. They couldn't due to the logical implications re Buffy and Angel. They made that position abundently clear in S6. Harm was always going to do exactly what she did in Disharmony earlier in the series, bite the hand that offered to help her and show ME's point about the unsouled again.

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Date: 2004-09-22 01:27 am (UTC)
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Well, that was bleak. I have no doubt that you're right, because that's how I felt when the show ended - sort of let down and pessimistic about the future (on the show, of course). Not that I ever would have been able to put my feelings into words.

Great review! I'll have to keep it in mind when I rewatch season 5.

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Date: 2004-09-22 01:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Thanks... it's actually much funnier than I remembered on rewatch. Once you know the ending, you can go "oh, poor Angel," and not feel quite so uptight about the weird character shifts from previous seasons.

I still feel pretty irked that they killed all the women, tho. Grr.

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Date: 2004-09-22 02:22 am (UTC)
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Titus Andronicus has cannibalism? I must've slept through that class (either that, or I'm confusing it with another toga-fest).

Excellent analysis. I'll be interested to see if I have the same reaction when season 5 comes out on DVD. I have it on tape, but can't bring myself to watch it again yet - still PTSD'ing over Wesley. *sigh* I gotta get a life.

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Date: 2004-09-22 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
I'm pretty sure I remember some soup du relatives in that Titus Andronicus... it's like a blur of conniving and plotting and people getting kidnapped and raped and executed and their tongues cut out... it's Bill Shakespeare at his most scenery chewing. I've gotten very fond of the film version that has Anthony Hopkins... it gets arty about all this over-the-topness in a very entertaining way.

I couldn't quite bring myself to talk about Wesley yet either. The epiphany about Angel's arc was the best I could manage.

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Date: 2004-09-22 02:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magista.livejournal.com
Likewise to [livejournal.com profile] hurry_sundown, I haven't been able to go back and watch any of it again - kind of like being a time traveller watching the barrelling train wreck you know is coming and you can't do anything about.

It also says a lot about the individual viewers, just how the episodes or season as a whole is interpreted. To paraphrase: "no plot survives first contact with the audience."

And in my own shallow, utterly Spike-centric view of the universe, all I can think of is if Angel and Spike both survive NFA, Buffy isn't going to recognize what Angel's become at all - but Spike has remained true to himself. Almost enough to make me want to try some post-NFA fic. Almost.

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Date: 2004-09-22 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
no plot survives first contact with the audience

I love that. It's actually a great way of putting it too, since the audience is rather like a bunch of aliens with whom you're trying to communicate. Assume too much, don't make your meanings clear enough, and they're seeing rude gestures when you're flashing them a thumbs-up symbol. Cultures in collusion.

all I can think of is if Angel and Spike both survive NFA, Buffy isn't going to recognize what Angel's become at all - but Spike has remained true to himself.

Yeah, that kinda seemed to be the idea to me, consciously planned that way or not. Spike never questions himself so much as what he's doing (the last big self-question would have been when he went to get the soul and came back all self-hatey... which was then more or less cancelled out by Buffy's "I believe in you"). So we see him adjust his actions in S6 - he starts thinking, well, maybe I have something to make up for after all, post-"Damage" and hangs around to help fight Big Evil post-Fred's-gone. But you never hear him wonder to himself, "am I a bad person"? Which Angel does all the time... until he decides that it doesn't matter anymore, because he'll never manage good, so he might as well use his own evil. It's really depressing viewed in that light, actually.... he walks away from redemption because not only does he believe that he's not good enough, but that saving his own soul doesn't matter in the "big picture."

Damn, now I'm back to being sad for Angel again. I'm kinda having a hard time imagining what he might be like post-NFA.

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Date: 2004-09-22 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/cheshire_cat_/
You know, I often wonder what the rest of the season would have been like if they hadn't known about being canceled. I'm sure once they were told they were canceled they crammed in all of the important stuff they wanted to get out (Illyria). I wonder if they would have drawn things out more, and had there been a sixth season, I bet Illyria would have fit in better. I mean, she would have a bigger arc and all, and I doubt they would've killed her off anytime soon. And Amy Acker is pregnant, so I wonder how they would've dealt with that...

I can speculate for hours about what-could-have-happened when it somes to season 6, so I'll just shut up and say what I came to say in the first place: Wonderful analysis! :)

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Date: 2004-09-22 03:11 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] speakr2customrs.livejournal.com
And Amy Acker is pregnant, so I wonder how they would've dealt with that...

Same way they always do. Evil hellspawn.


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Date: 2004-09-22 04:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asta77.livejournal.com
Too tired to do a really thoughtful reply or to do more than scan other replies, so forgive me if I'm redundant.

This is a really terrific analysis - one that made me think of season 5 in a new light. I really need to watch it again myself, but your assertation that Spike 'took over' from Angel is a fascinating premise. Spike, more often than not, has done the right thing even if it wasn't his intention to. In the final season of BtVS and then on Angel, no matter how much of a pain in the ass he may have been, it was his intent to do good.

So the message is pretty clear - there is no Angelus-style bad side to this guy. There used to be - and it's implied pretty strongly in ("Destiny") that this was largely due to Angelus's influence - but not anymore.

This is probably pretty apparent to most people, but something struck me when I read those two lines. If Spike were to lose his soul again (how or why I don't know, but I suppose it could happen), he'd still be Spike. Sure, maybe those feeling of guilt and bouts of low self-esteem would vanish, but he'd still being doing exactly what it is that he's doing now. I think one of the problems - one which I wish had been explored more - is that with Spike's arrival Angel suddenly faced some hard truths that he never had to without another souled vampire around. Angel often stated that, soul or no soul, Spike hadn't really changed. I think that terrified him. Because, if Spike hadn't, then how far removed was Angel really from Angelus and all the death and destruction that he choos to unleash? From events NFA, we realize not all that far.

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Date: 2004-09-22 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
I think one of the problems - one which I wish had been explored more - is that with Spike's arrival Angel suddenly faced some hard truths that he never had to without another souled vampire around.

I could never figure out why that topic was so danced around. Maybe because both AtS and BtVS were so notoriously shy about explaining what a soul exactly is that they just didn't want to box themselves in like that, to a point where they couldn't use the thing as plot devicium whenever required (e.g., Harmony). But yeah, the soul thing always struck me as a huge continuity hole that they just kept trying to pretend wasn't there.

Angel often stated that, soul or no soul, Spike hadn't really changed. I think that terrified him. Because, if Spike hadn't, then how far removed was Angel really from Angelus and all the death and destruction that he choos to unleash? From events NFA, we realize not all that far

Ultimately, that definitely seemed to be the message that came across. A lot of it was there in "Destiny" too, on rewatch - Angel is the first to go for the dirty tactics, first to use belittling insults ("you always were a little dim, Willy... Buffy never loved you"), first to go into game face. Spike gets right down there and rolls around with him, so the guy's no saint, but subtly you get the picture that Angel's Angelus streak is something he has to work hard to surpress.

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Date: 2004-09-22 06:30 am (UTC)
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S5 was really all about Spike, and the tragedy of Angel's inability to save himself.


I think that this theme is also apparent when you consider Season 5 against the first AtS episode that Spike appeared in. In the Dark,an AtS episode, and not BtVS, is also the last we ever see of Un-chipped Evil Spike. On the next BtVS episode he goes back to Sunnydale and promptly gets tasered by the Initiative.

In In the Dark Un-chipped Evil Spike loses the Vampiric Holy Grail (or Gem of Amara) to Angel, who resists its charms and deliberately destroys it. Angel is aware of the power the ring could give him, but chooses to stay in the dark, helping the hopeless. He knows the light holds too many distractions, and the daytime already has lots of heroes; he wants to stay where he is needed. So, he gives up super-duper powers and immunity from the sun, and crushes it under a rock.

But it doesn't last. A few years later, and Angel has simply replaced the Gem of Amara with Wolfram and Hart. He can stand in the sun, has more power than he ever dreamed of, and starts to forget about the little guys. And while Angel wanders around his office a newly un-chipped but not Evil Spike, perhaps from idealism or maybe just from contrariness, lurks in back alleys and convenience store parking lots to rescue the stupid.

And towards the end of the series, even Spike starts to get hypnotized by the W&H spell. I only wish we'd had another season, so we could have seen how he handled it.


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Date: 2004-09-22 04:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
In In the Dark Un-chipped Evil Spike loses the Vampiric Holy Grail (or Gem of Amara) to Angel, who resists its charms and deliberately destroys it. Angel is aware of the power the ring could give him, but chooses to stay in the dark, helping the hopeless... A few years later, and Angel has simply replaced the Gem of Amara with Wolfram and Hart. He can stand in the sun, has more power than he ever dreamed of, and starts to forget about the little guys.

Oh. My. God. This is an amazing parallel that hadn't even occurred to me. Mad props to you for this one. (applauds)

So (and again I'll emphasize that I think a lot of this was likely unconscious on the writers' part) we have a consistent theme of Spike reaching for sunlight - and in BtVS he's constantly shown during the day, risking the sun to get from place to place, whereas I can't think of a single episode in which Angel did this until he got his own series, and not often even then - and Angel, who's denied himself the sunlight on purpose, having decided that he can be more use in the dark and also perhaps, that he's not worthy to claim such a prize as of yet. With Angel, you always get the idea that he felt very strongly he needed to "earn" his redemption, that some higher power would decide when he'd fulfilled the correct criteria. I always saw that as part of the reason he gave up the Mohra blood that made him human too - that he couldn't accept that because no Blue Fairy had judged him worthy.... yet.

And... okay, now I'm seeing more meaning to his dream sequence in "Soul Purpose" too, in which he imagines Spike in his bed with him having sex with Buffy. The voice clips from Buffy are all from "The Prom," which was their breakup episode.... Angel didn't feel good enough for Buffy then, either - it's the reason he cites for leaving. "You deserve more." And poor guy, what does he say to his dream-Spike? A sad little whine of "you're taking Buffy to the prom?" Aww....

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It works pretty consistenly up until "Damage" anyway. "You're Welcome" is more like a standalone bon-bon and right after that and "Why We Fight," we start getting Illyria, which sidelines all this until the Shanshu question crops up again (briefly) for the finale. But Angel's sudden decision to make evil work for him really seemed to line up with the earlier part of the season's conflicts for me.
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Date: 2004-09-22 01:11 pm (UTC)
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Followed the link from [livejournal.com profile] indri's Lj, and am so glad I did. I completely agree with what's been said above about Harmony (it really made me cross) and with the whole Illyria thing just not fitting in. It was Joss's big shiny toy that he was determined to play with, after wrenching our guts out with the rather overblown Fred's Horrible Death scene in AHitW. Also cross at him killing all the women.

Loved what you said about Spike, and totally agree with it, although I doubt it was ME's intention that he should get to be the true hero on both shows.

Like [livejournal.com profile] rahirah I don't tend to think they planned it that well, because they quite often didn't. I'm also pretty certain that the Dead Things beating only came to have significance to Spike's soul quest in hindsight, as right up to that point in the season, those people getting the spoilers were being told that there was no intention at all of redeeming Spike, that, in fact, he would barely reform.

Terrific post. Hope it's okay if I friend you.

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Date: 2004-09-22 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Please Friend away! Welcome! (waves)

I've come to the conclusion over the years that a lot of what I enjoy most in these shows was largely unplanned... the stuff that was obviously planned tends to stick out to me a bit sharply, or perhaps just the less-well-handled examples, such as Illyria. I like being surprised by something that arises organically rather than being smacked by a plot hammer, which was the key reason I hated all the last minute mystic gear that showed up at the tail end of BtVS. It's rather like introducing the last piece to solve a mystery in the last ten pages instead of having clues there for the readers to see throughout the book. Although given how the human brain works, we're likely to find clues in hindsight anyway, which is I guess what I'm doing now....

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Date: 2004-09-22 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maggiesox.livejournal.com
God, I love your brilliant take on Spike v. Angel in S5...simply because I never really thought that it was Spike versus Angel, save for their logical ingrained desire to compete with each other for everything. Sure, it got a little ham-handed, featuring Spike in the same shots, playing the same role Angel played in 'City Of'. I think one of the strongest underlying currents of S5 was always the inner struggle- the struggle to try to balance parts of your personality and emotions. Lorne failed, and quit. Gunn failed, and wound up getting Fred killed. Wes failed, and went crazy. Angel...well, the season was really all about Angel's failure to find that balance, isn't it? Failure exacerbated by Spike's presence, to be sure, but I think far more rooted in his actions at the end of 'Home'- he'd always be questioning whether he did the right thing, whether he made the right decision. I never saw Spike as having to try to work on that balance- he'd already given up on Buffy, and was just there to fight the good fight. Sure, he wants the shanshu, and maybe, given more time with the series, that desire for the shanshu may have undone him, just as his love for Buffy nearly destroyed him on Buffy.

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Date: 2004-09-22 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
I think one of the strongest underlying currents of S5 was always the inner struggle- the struggle to try to balance parts of your personality and emotions.

I'd say that's definitely true. Which is, I guess, why Wes's downfall drove me so crazy... it's like they were saying love destroyed this man. I kept wondering if Wes's reaction would have been the same if he'd never hooked up with Fred, or if the implication was that it was that he'd had her and then lost her that drove him crazy. That felt... a little too close to saying "love kills" for my taste, not that I wasn't already getting that image from BtVS.

I never saw Spike as having to try to work on that balance- he'd already given up on Buffy, and was just there to fight the good fight. Sure, he wants the shanshu, and maybe, given more time with the series, that desire for the shanshu may have undone him, just as his love for Buffy nearly destroyed him on Buffy.

Well... it kind did destroy him, didn't it? It's actually a stronger parallel to the Wes plot than I realized - I always saw Spike as somewhat giving up on Buffy in "Chosen," walking into the Hellmouth expecting to die, just as Wes expected to die in "Not Fade Away," no matter what he says to Illyria. But it's true that once Spike comes back, he starts getting his equilibrium back, and in that light, I think it's significant that he's shown staying away from Buffy. It plays that he's just afraid to go back to her, that he's not really certain whether or not she loves him... but there's also an element of suggestion that going back to her would mean losing that balance again, losing himself again. What those women'll do to ya, huh?

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Date: 2004-09-22 01:51 pm (UTC)
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Followed the link from [livejournal.com profile] indri as well. Great analysis on Spike's role on AtS, S5 makes a lot more sense that way, thanks for that. And poor, poor Angel.

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Date: 2004-09-22 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Thank you very much. And yeah, I can't watch the ending now without thinking, "man, this is so sad for Angel. He thinks too much!"

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Date: 2004-09-22 02:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chrisleeoctaves.livejournal.com
As always, thoughtful and well expressed.

BtVS/Ats always play differently when viewed as a whole rather than as a once-a-week series. Somehow the impact of the experience changes...at least it always does for me when I watch the shows in a big clump.

I thought season 5 was terrific and sincerely wish there had been a season 6.

Thanks for this.

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Date: 2004-09-22 04:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
I enjoyed it a lot more on rewatch. At the time, it was kinda frustrating at times, because I just couldn't figure out what the point was in defusing so many of the earlier potent plotlines as if they didn't really matter (e.g., the Buffy stuff, the mindwipe, etc.). Which was why I was so tickled when Connor came back, and so let down by the handling of Buffy... sigh. But as an overall arc, it hangs together, more or less.

And thank you.

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Date: 2004-09-22 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goosegirl9.livejournal.com
I enjoyed this very much, particularly the analysis of Spike and Angel. Thank you.

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Date: 2004-09-22 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Thanks. I'm convinced that's what you end up getting out of watching the series in one piece. It's a lot like that scene with the two brothers swimming in Gattaca.
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Date: 2004-09-23 02:37 am (UTC)
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I’ve never been much of an AtS fan. I found I grew bored with Angel/DB once he left BtVS and, except for the crossovers, watched sporadically. I did watch all of the last two seasons – S4 because I knew Faith would be on both series and S5 because of Spike. I very much liked the Jasmine arc but, like most, could have done without C/C. Having had my prejudices against Angel reinforced by his petty behavior in “Chosen,” I went into S5 believing Spike to be the hero and Angel not much of a Champion. I saw nothing throughout the season to dissuade me from my thinking and saw many things to support my view – including a surprising amount of Angelus in Angel. (So much for the idea that Angel and Angelus are completely different persons.) However, I did feel that the writers (with a few exceptions) were trying to undermine Spike at every turn in order to elevate their protagonist. That Spike as the true hero comes through as a cohesive story arc upon your second viewing is unexpected and intriguing.

Although a heroic moment for Spike, I thought it quite sad he was entangled in Angel’s suicide scheme whose purpose and effect I thought dubious at best. Angel (and Wesley and Gunn) may have been ready to die, but was Spike? By the time any of the Angel gang found out about the scheme, it was really impossible not to participate.

Thanks for writing this very interesting overview. You may tempt me to watch some more AtS.

Gail

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Date: 2004-09-23 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
You're very welcome. I've actually come to enjoy AtS quite a lot over the past year or so, and I used to very much not care about the series - the first season had more or less bored me on first broadcast, although in review I've become quite fond of it. Angel's character seems, on some levels. that much more interesting to me from the idea that he isn't saved, and in fact willingly decides not to try for it... although given the way the Shanshu prophecy seemed to be set up, it's worth wondering if good intent or worthiness has anything to do with its fulfillment, or if that's just Angel's instinctual interpretation, based on his upbringing, complete with notions of good and evil and heaven and hell...

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Date: 2004-09-23 10:47 am (UTC)
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Oh, forgot to say, fab essay.

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Date: 2004-09-23 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Thank you! : )

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Date: 2004-09-23 12:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dlgood.livejournal.com
So the message is pretty clear - there is no Angelus-style bad side to this guy. There used to be - and it's implied pretty strongly in ("Destiny") that this was largely due to Angelus's influence - but not anymore. His worst character flaws are all laddish immaturities - boastfulness, restlessness, childish sniping, and a Bill Clinton-esque obsession with sex.

What's missing here, is the same incisive analysis you turn towards Angel's character. Spike isn't nearly so simple as that.

It's true that there's not an "Angelus-style" bad side, but William/Spike certainly had a dark side of his own that. Blaming Angelus' influence seems like cheap excuse making. Spike, created his persona and her he ran with it for over a century, for long years Angelus was gone, when he was under no influence greater than his own will, and that's very much on him.

As to his flaws. Those "immaturities" add up systematically to indicate a pretty deep-seated Narcissitic Personality. (Almost textbook). Romanticizing Spike as a swell hero who'd have been just fine if only other people would have been nicer to him, IMHO, is turning a blind eye to half-the character.

And the symbol for that is Harmony. Harmony, who is to Spike, what Spike was to Buffy. For all of Spike's complaints to Angel that it was Angelus who made him a monster, and to Buffy that he could have been a better man if she'd helped him out -- he offered almost nothing to Harmony when she was in a comparable situation. Because, ultimately, Spike's interest is still seated in his own ego. Helping others, more because that's how a hero behaves, or because a specific individual or case is important to him, but not out of general principle.

Spike's motives are questioned - selfish? evil? petty? - and in every one of them, our initial negative impression is shown to be an illusion, a trick.

But there's that other motive -- ego. Spike has, for the bulk of his life, adopted one pose after another to fill his emotional need and "Noble Hero" may well be yet another.

and in the end, his last day was spent basking in the adulation he's always craved, warm in the tenuous self-assurance that he could see himself as important, heroic, and loveable. The uncritical view is that he finally got the respect he deserved.

But this is AtS, and the lightest/simplest view may not be the only one. Perhaps a truer sign of growth would be a Spike that gets heckled for his still lousy poetry, and accepts it secure in himself anyway.

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Date: 2004-09-23 12:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paratti.livejournal.com
Saving Angel in JR and saving Fred in Hellbound - not poses, not in his interest at all. Facts.
Mistreating Harmony once in S5 in a rush of recorporealisation after months of nothing or torture - not good but human - and most importantly not repeated but he does help her feel better about herself in Harms Way without implying he wants to sleep with her.

He's not Angel, but try looking at the guy without the he's not Angel so therefore 'he must be completely and utterly wrong and Evil in everything, and so have one final dose of ridicule to make people like me happy' spectacles on. You might just possibly learn something. It's doubtful, but try it for once.

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Date: 2004-09-23 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sistakaren.livejournal.com
Wow. I find a lot of what you have to say to be really interesting and well thought out. I disagree with a good portion of it, but I think that rather than go into most of it here, I'll save it for a post of my own. Probably sometime next week.

But this struck me: S5 is about losing hope, about suicidal gestures and futile stabs in the face of destiny. And even more weirdly, it's a comedy.

I got the exact opposite impression, actually: I thought it was about finding hope. Every person on the show (except Fred), began to become consumed by their own doubts about their self-worth and ability to do anything constructive during the season. But by the end, they had each overcome that goal (notably excepting Lorne). I think this notion of hope is perfectly exemplified in The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco. Especially in Angel's speech to No 5 -- a speech that was initially empty, but one that Angel came to embody by the end of the series. Also, the loss of Fred and Cordy was pivotal in turning everyone's attitudes around at the end of the season.

Anyway, I'll stop here -- and I'll probably elaborate on it more later in my own journal. But I like a lot of what you had to say. There were lots of things I hadn't considered before.

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Date: 2004-09-23 03:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
I got the exact opposite impression, actually: I thought it was about finding hope

I guess it's an indication of the narrative working in one way or another if people can watch it and draw completely opposite messages from it. : )

I really do think "Numero Cinco" is the key to the entire season, although what I got was something more like Angel eventually found a way to "take heart," if you could call it that, in the fact that his heart is "a dried up piece of gnarly beef jerky" - he can do things by not having the heart of a hero that those with a stronger sense of moral convinction (e.g., Lorne) cannot. I found that message kinda grim... and a traged for Angel, that eventually he had to find his comfort in his usefulness as a monster, not a man.

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Date: 2004-09-23 02:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stakebait.livejournal.com
Ooh, interesting analysis! Thank you for this! I'm adding this to my memories, because I think I need to ponder and rewatch before I have an opinion.

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Date: 2004-09-23 03:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Thank you. There's lot more to say and observe of course - this was only a first general impression. Layers upon layers more there.

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Date: 2004-09-23 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deborahw37.livejournal.com
I enjoyed this. Now I need to read it again and go away and rewatch bits of S5 to see whether I agree with you

Thank you

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Date: 2004-09-23 06:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
It helps to keep remembering to look at Spike from Angel's POV. That he seems more magnified in every direction - good and bad - because of that, because Angel is comparing them in his own mind, and it's his insecurities that keep playing out.

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Date: 2004-09-23 05:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/lady_alatariel_/
What perfect timing in posting this, s5 is going to start up on reruns on TNT on Monday. So now I'll have this to think about when I re-watch it all.

I pretty much totally agree with your thoughts on Fred. She annoyed me all through s3. And then pretty much amazed me in s4, especially at the beginning. Her zapping Connor with the "You're gonna pay for what you did to your father!" is one of my favorite moments. And I loved in Ground State when she yells at Charles for dying and leaving her all alone cause it shows how even though she's becoming stronger as a person, it is still taking a toll on her cause she's only human. And I thought it was interesting that they chose her to be the first one on her own in the Jasmine arc. And then s5 came and Fred was just a pair of legs for the guys to look at and completely ruined her character. I thought Illyria was uber cool, lol. I wish we could have had s6, just for more Illyria. I think she could almost fit into the storyline.
When Wes first shows up, on Btvs, as the new watcher, he is like the complete opposite of the Wes we know, you would hardly even recognize him. But he fails in his watcher duties as Faith goes off with the Mayor and Buffy quits the Council. Then you have Faith returning on Ats s1 where she tortures him, etc. Finally in s4, Faith comes back and they finally work as a team, but it's definitely not in a slayer/watcher dynamic, with maybe the exception of when he taunts her to get her ready for Angelus. And possibly, his relationship with Lilah was really partly him trying to save her from herself, from W&H.
And then Illyria shows up. Clueless, pretty much powerless. After Wes sort of recovers from Fred dying in his arms, we see him take her under his wing, mainly cause neither one really has a place to go. But then in the end we get a weird mix. Illyria is no longer the emotionless god-king and I don't think Wes dislikes her as much as we're lead to believe. I think he wants to, but he can't. He guides her and in the lead, when he goes out fighting, she's there comfort him and then avenge his death. So in the end, he finally had a girl to guide and he succeeded.

I guess in the end, I always saw s5 as a very LotR-like view. Taking on the dragon seems a lot like the diversion at the Black Gate in RotK. Hope in the face of overwhelming odds? Doing what is right because that's what you have to do even if you die trying? ::shrugs:: I don't know, blame too much Tolkien if you will, but that's what I got out of it.

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Date: 2004-09-23 06:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
The Tolkein comparison is an interesting one because the idea of corruption is huge in that story - those with real power are terrified of it, because they know the One Ring would simply corrupt their already potent power to its purposes. You could argue that W&H fulfills this aspect of the story, corrupting the powerful, and only those too humble to catch the attention of the Eye escape (e.g., Anne).

So yeah, you could say that the final alley scene has some similarities to the final faceoff at the Black Gate, although that also implies that the real battle is happening elsewhere... and now maybe we're back to Anne again, and the value of doing the fighting that's "hard and every day." Hm...

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Date: 2004-09-23 05:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/peasant_/
This is brilliant. I have nothing insightful or intelligent to add because you are clearly way more intelligent than me, so just file this in the folder marked 'excited fannish squeeing'. Thanks!

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Date: 2004-09-23 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Aw, shucks. Thank you. : )

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Date: 2004-09-23 06:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] moscow-watcher.livejournal.com
Great essay! I'll pimp it on Russian Buffy/Angel forums.

You've nailed the essence of the season. As I was reading your essay I recalled a quote from Russian philosopher Grigory Pomeranz: "Evil roots in the rage of angels who fight the good fight".

About Illyria. I've got the impression that Whedon has to rush her storyline because of cancellation. I believe that her real story belongs in hypothetical season 6, which, obviously, would be about post-apocalyptic world. Unfortunately, we'll never know what Whedon really planned for her unless a TV movie happens.

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Date: 2004-09-23 06:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com
Thank you! I wish I had something more cogent to say about Illyria because there was a lot of promise there, in the idea of a king wielding power to parallel Angel, but like you said, not enough time to fit it in. And I will ever remain sad at the method of her introduction, which also seemed rushed to me, like Fred simply needed to be gotten rid of for this more interesting plotline to get rolling. It seemed a sad disservice to the character to me, and to the slow buildup of resonance for Wes/Fred over the years... like a whole year's storyline crushed into just a few eps. a full year of watching Wesley in crumbling decline would have been excruiating... and wonderful.

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